I am new here, there is my planned setup.
 

Hello everyone, i am about to start in airsofting and i wanted to know what is wrong or something better can be suggested at me.

I already started my age verification, i just sent PMs to testtube and sarosh.

Here my current setup within 840$ budget:

- Casque Emerson FAST Helmet ( PJ Type / Basic ) : 50$ CAD
- King Arms BB Loader ( 200 billes / Clear ) : 15$ CAD
- Courroie 1-Point Bungee ( Military Grade )) : 15$ CAD
- A.C.M. Mesh Face Guard - BLACK : 15$ CAD

Feel free to offer suggestions, advices and changes to my planned plan. And yes, i am well aware the asking of my budget. The problem, i also need to be age verified to find any better guns for best prices i could find so i could buy much more.

I list what i think would help you suggesting something for me :

- I am smaller than average and i do like flexibility and i like also have a sidearm as backup.
- I would love to get everything under 600 $ or 700 $ if possible.
- I live in Canada, a lot of forests places and also harsh cold winter, so BIG NO-NO at gas handguns but CO2 handguns will work just fine.
- I am not worried if you also suggest another rifle that replaces the P90 i picked, go ahead and suggest it.
- I carefully shoot my gun at targets, so the range and accuracy is more important than volume of BB fired.
- I wear prescription glass, so i need the eye protection that accepts it.

Thanks for reading and answering it.

UPDATED :

3 Choices :
- ICS L85 A2
- Classic Army Steyr A2 Proline
- Tar-21 or Tavor, i dont know which brand i could trust.

- Bonus : Sidearm : a P226 of best quality or best brand if i snagged a nice deal in Classifields.

- ESS Land Ops Googles

- The rest, i will pick at JT's Paintball store ( dont even try your luck at store online, they dont sell there. Just physical :P ).

Keep reading around what you can access on the forum as it will help steer you around before you are age verified.

Personally as a new person I would stick to an M4 platform as you can get parts for them easily and most experienced people know their way around version 2 gearboxes if you encounter a problem.

As for goggles I HIGHLY recommend Revision Desert Locust fan goggles with the prescription insert. I have them and zero fogging and all fields will allow you to play with them no problem and they easily take prescription lens with the adapter (something I am working towards myself). Not cheap at $150 but soooo worth the performance and peace of mind.

You'll need p90 mag pouches for p90 mags. They won't fit in my pouches.

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indeed. p90 mags need p90 pouches. They are 10-15 for singles and the nicer eski ones are 30 or so for doubles. The condor ones sometimes are sewn too small and don't fit the mags without using force and usually that ends up breaking the plastic mags.


Don't play in the forest. Go play at red devil's in kemptville. Every saturday, gates open at 8 am.

I am a big guy and I can fit 6 p90 mags across my chest. Depending on how much you shoot, 6 KA p90 mags don't hold a whole lot of ammo for the space they take up.

You may or may not be able to mount p90 pouches on that chest rig very well. They need about 8 rows of molle in height for space. Will get you an exact number when I get home tonight. The best thing to mount them on is a zip up vest, though I've seen guys with 4 on a plate carrier that they wear a little higher on their chest, it just means you only have half of the molle weaved so they might be loose.

If you go with an AK or M4 the gear options get a bit cheaper/less specialized.

You will also need either a p90 sling adapter for that sling or you need a p90 specific sling. There is no where on a p90 to clip a regular sling meant for an m4/other rifle.

Leave the helmet out for now, buy a spare battery.

You may want to go with a 7.4v lipo instead of the NiMH/NiCD, I found my old P90 worked like crap on NiMH but shot well with lipos. I would also recommend goggles with a fan. I personally would not start on a p90, the mags are big/clumsy/annoying and may frustrate you as a newbie. The sling mount is also annoying, at least it was for me.

I'm surprised no one mentioned it yet, but invest in a good pair of boots. It's definitely something you don't want to overlook, especially when playing in forested areas or area's with tricky terrain.

You don't want to bust an ankle and get put out of the game for a week or two.

Knee pads are another thing you might want to look into.

If you wear glasses, definitely get something well ventilated with a fan or maybe consider picking up some daily contact lenses (Been working great for me), would save you from having fogging issues with glasses. Goggles fogging up is already an issue, don't want to deal with glasses as well if you can avoid it.

Get a M4 10.5" > - Lots of people have them, you can share mags and what not. A lot of parts available aswell.

Everyone I know that has a KA P90 has had their selector blow up, thus resulting in permanent full auto all the time! Un-educated on this subject, but could be an easy fix?

Boots are a necessity, pick up a decent used pair at the surplus, I got mine from Army Issue, water proof for $55 tax in.

If you get a Revision Desert Locust use "FANS" for 30% off. Coupons float around on google.

Knee pads are a must too, I us Arc'teryx ones. Can't go cheap on your knee's or eyes, Surgery would be more expensive ;).

Good luck.

the greatest weakness of the p90 is the cutoff lever, when this wears down you lose semi since there's nothing to reset the shuttle out of the 1st set of contacts.

It's replaceable but you need to do a few tweaks to make it easier for the sector to flip the lever with as little resistance as possible.

I would steer away from clone goggles.

Buy something reputable, from a known brand. ESS, Revision, Oakley, Smith Optics.. etc.

We're talking about your eyesight here - there is no excuse to cheap out.

You can spend 50-70$ on a pair of goggles that will last you a lonnnnng time. Clone goggles work but you will end up replacing them and nobody can be 100% sure they are up to par for stopping BB's, especially after multiple hits.

As others have suggest.. good footwear is a must. Something that is comfortable for you, that has ankle support, will be your best friend. Trust me, I started playing with steel-toe boots. Even just the extra ankle support saved me many times. I upgraded to a pair of surplus CF boots (can you even call that an upgrade?) and it was a great investment. $30 kept me from rolling my ankles on multiple occasions. You can spend a lot more and be even happier, but don't go out there in sneakers and hurt yourself!

For real military eyewear, and the highest safety ratings among stuff used in airsoft (and elswhere) revision has the deepest discounts for eyewear if you search around online for discount codes. AR15NEWS I think gets 30-40% off if it's still active.

Let the guy get a P90. Its a good gun and is a beast when upgraded thanks to its gearbox.

There are enough M4's out there ffs.

Just thinking for working around a first gun, that's all. Easy to get magazines, upgrades, blah, blah, blah. You can go with a SCAR-L or Masada as well.

On top of footwear I recommend Sealskinz socks, dry feet are happy feet. :)

Wish I had know about those Revision coupons. :/

Surprised this wasn't mentioned but I guess I'll be the one to say it:

You should remove the link to the gun; forum rules mention you can't post links to guns outside the age verified sections

That said, you might want to avoid airsoftqc store altogether. I won't start to explain why, there's been enough discussions on them already (you can search these forums if you're curious)

I have nothing else to add, pretty much everything else was said already

Welcome to the sport

Ah, i should noticed it. I heard someone saying it dinit fit even the smallest glass. Here this review http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=119383.

I could try this place.

Yeah, i better take this way. Far much easier for my life and it allows me to have better gear as well if i carefully pick a quality gun.

No sure but i know i already have boots for this case but i dont think snow boots counts. Better to check.

Ah, a discount coupon. I should google harder. And i will get those googles, army boots and a m4 or SCAR or M16.

I take as if you had enough seeing M4s users, right ?
There always a possibility the updated first gun might not even a M4 at all.

This is why i cant see the tokyo marui guns in this store and this is very suspicious as fuck.


Alright, time to revise my selection and discard the P90 into my wish list so i could swap back if i think so. I will check every guns once i could land in physical store.

The P90 can be a workhorse if taken care of properly and it does have a V6 gearbox which is arguably one of the best designs. However like everyone else said there are problems with it in terms of real life play with ergonomics and the like. BTW if you do end up getting one down the road as a secondary backup incase your primary gun goes down UMP pouches will fit the P90 mags and vice versa I believe.

As far as first gun goes I definitely am a proponent of either an AR or an AK platform. However down the road you can get into unique stuff you like just have a solid primary setup and if in the case you have bad luck at a game and your primary setup goes down you can continue playing with your backup setup.

As far as other gear goes, you can do what you like and figure out what works and what doesn't for you yourself. Honestly if you have a tight budget you can get into airsoft for sub $600 with basic (quality) gear but with your budget you can jump in and get some more useful gear. Get rid of the helmet, faceguard, and those mP5 pouches and you should be able to shave some money off the budget.

Personally this is what I suggest;

Rifle $250+tax (feel free to use the highcap for now and store a second in your pocket, later down the road you can get a rig to carry midcaps and the like don't worry about ribbing about having "tactical maracas" it's all lighthearted anyways)
BDU: Olive Drab set (tunic, trousers, and bush cap) can be found at surplus stores for sub $70
Eyepro: $50 (get a paintball mask, the JT Flex8 or Proflex come highly recommended)
Boots: ~$150 get something you like and is comfortable. Doesn't have to be supertactical or anything. Use hiking boots in a dark/earth tone if you want. I recommend Merrell and Bates (parent company (Wolverine Footwear/Wolverine Sports) owns both and Saucony as well) I love their stuff. Definitely focus on good ankle support and comfort, your feet move you around all day and you stand on them and walk with them all day too, treat them well. Hell I even soak my feet in epsom salt after work and after games sometimes (don't have to believe all the newage bullcrap around it but it does help) and moisturize too.
Battery and charger: Can be found like $50 for a full set of like 2 lipos and a basic smart charger (doesn't have to be a crazy RC charger with a screen and a million options just a charger that you plug in and cuts off charging when it detects peak charge is good enough usually will have a light on it) EDIT: Talking about something like this btw, that's all you need to start with http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store..._US_Plug_.html

Most of everything else is just accessories.

the other route is go super light... mp5 a2 or a3 or a4... mags are much smaller.

you can google red devil's airsoft for the directions. There's also an offshoot ottawa airsoft community over at www.ottawavalleyairsoft.com but I encourage you (as will others) to just come out and play first, rent a gun as well, the field has an array of AK rentals. Also if you ask nicely, most players will let you handle their guns so you can get an idea of what might suit you better. Also there's a variety of gear whores there like me that has a lot of kit, vs guys who have just started and all they have is a rifle and a couple highcaps.


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http://dreamers-ink.ca/airsoft/gear/DSCN2284.JPG

This is my light weight p90 vest. The other one I have is not so light... it's like 3 layers of nylon and it's black... it looks so awesome in my stargate costume photos and other photos when I wear it on camo. It's not so great to wear in the 35 degree sunlight with 45 degree humidex. The black gets hot.

This specific model I think is the condor hydration vest. empty it's about half the weight of the standard molle tacvest from condor and it has an integrated pouch in the back for a water bladder. Imo it's better value if you want just a light vest.

On the inside I have eski double p90 pouches. ESKI are the only ones with molle on the front so that I can attach pistol mag pouches. You see how much room the p90 mags will take up, there really isn't much room for anything else on the vest.

On the outside are flyye single pouches in multicam. They fit much loser than condor pouches, and would recommend them over the condor if you get a p90. Or go with the ESKIs. The only problem with the ESKI is that they only come in black, tan, olive or woodland.

The p90 pouch actually hooks into 6 molle rows on the vest, but it hangs down over a 7th blank. So if each row and blank are 1 inch tall each, that's 13 inches of vertical realestate on your body that each p90 pouch till take up.

Not trying to scare you off a p90, but just know what you're getting into before you start spending the money.

In terms of eye protection there are some great deals on ebay for Revision Dessert Locusts. Some of them are surplus some of them are new...but I see them going for $20-$50. The Arena flackjacks you can probably get like 3 pairs for $50. There are also USGI Molle Vests going for $20, and you could probably find some good boots for a good price.

AS it goes, i also better check ebay for great deals exactly like i gotten gaming hardware at bargain price.

Thanks for your advice on trying out on most basic but needed outfit and the gun, note i am not worried spending into 700$ or even 800$ while keeping the rest for game fees.

Like my friend told me after bringing me to Ultimate Airsoft, gameplay experience will change once you step into the field. I had to reconfigure my gear list after I bought my JPC, the plate carrier that I wanted and it works great for me. Tip? Try on plate carriers, chest rigs, and tactical vests. see which one will best work for you.

Hai, i am back and age verified as now.

As i could or couldnt tell, but rental AK at Red Devils. They shoot too wide for i could hit someone even at a barn. Anyway, it was tiresome lugging my rental gun anywhere. I belive i shouldnt skipped my leg work.

And as far i could think, there 3 guns i think i would love to have as my first starter gun :

- ICS L85 A2 Full Sized Metal ( i found at online retailer but they arent in stock, so even out of stuck they could be maybe ordered ).
- Classic Army Steyr AUG A2 Proline in stock.
- Tar-21, no sure which brand i can trust on it since i hear there massive trificera of massefuckery.

I got free full BDU, some free goodies at Red Devil Airsoft and it happen to be fitting me exactly ( small size :D ).

What you are thinking ? Or i should create a thread in Age Verified section ?

Thanks in advance ( sorry for being too polite here ).

Great that you enjoyed your first day out. I guess you figured out pretty fast that airsoft isn't like shooting real guns and accuracy is totally different more akin to muskets or paintball. This is why I'm a big proponent of renting your first time out that way you can kind of figure out what works for you and what doesn't.

I see you're still in the "I don't want an AR or AK" camp, but if you think it works for you then you do your own thing. Honestly I have no idea what's good in terms of developments after 2013-ish because I've been "chairsofting" for like 2 years but ICS and CA are solid brands, as for the Tar-21 Umarex/Ares is alright, I don't have the greatest opinion of them but they're alright (BTW S&T is an offshoot of ARES, not sure how it worked but AFAIK they used to be the same company but split off into 2 separate companies just like KSC and KWA).

L473ncy, havent you noticed a small detail in 3 guns i showed ?

They are all STANAG compatible ( aka they can use M4 Magazines ). L85 does have quick change spring, everything else petty special. I also think proprietary parts are dureable after hearing reviews and having done my research. This is how i ended with 3 guns i could think of.

- ICS L85 : Back heavy, quick change spring. Easy disassembly, just push out bolts keeping them together. The normal version seems to be preferred due the fore grip with bigger inside volume. And if you buy it, you will also get 2 High Cap Magazines. And it can use M4 magazines.

- CA Steyr AUG A2 Proline, this gun can use M4 mags with light modifications. Balanced gun. Proline is for a reason, guarantee of quality. Also bullpup with stock rails. Best externals and good or very good external ( havent checked this aspect ).

- Tar-21, according your suggestion. There a risk i could take if i gotten more information and details to problems. Also use M4 Mags.

This is all my summary of my research, there are bullpup for anonther reason : small size of myself. Since i am smaller than everyone else. I also needed a flexibility in the gun itself as well for CQC or outdoors ( FPS wise ), this is why i am leaning towards the ICS L85 or CA AUG A2, if you want, suggest me the G & G FN F2000 as well ( it also have quick spring change too ).

In the back of my mind they I know they all take STANAG mags but I was thinking moreso the exterior platform to worry about. Also I remember someone telling me about barrel length and accuracy and it was determined (from some quick back of the envelope calculations) that there were diminishing gains with longer barrel lengths and other factors come into play like stability of the gun itself because the BB isn't going that fast and jerking it after you pull the trigger could mess with the trajectory. If you're worried about carrying something unwieldly there is the option of a 10.5" ("CQB")M4 and if you want more length changing the barrel and flash hider to a longer barrel and covering it up with a suppressor.

Oh yeah, one more thing that I thought of which you wouldn't know otherwise but is something to consider.

If the gun takes "STANAG" mags it doesn't mean that it will accept all STANAG mags but doesn't mean that you can't modify it to accept it. For example the TM FAMAS which uses STANAG mags actually doesn't and you need to file down at the mag catch or the square where the mag catch sits and the front of the mag or inside of the magwell. The mod for the FAMAS is well documented. I also wouldn't recommend a FAMAS because of the V1 gearbox design so your choice of the L85, Aug or Tar21 are fine. Parts for the V1 are pretty much impossible to find but the ICS and CA are solid, I guess they're calling the CA "X-Series" the Proline now? Just make sure you don't get the CA Sportline, I remember it being crap (and for the price point the Sportline tries to compete at you can get something better for the money from a different brand).

Assuming the accuracy of gun is from mostly BBs of quality, the hopup and the tightness of barrel and the smallest barrel just after the BB stabilized itself and is about leave the gun's barrel. They sure influence on hits. However, high-quality stock guns might have small problem of it but still fixable.

For what the FAMAS, i am well aware and i wouldnt get it nor bother about it because this gun is so old, his parts are even impossible to find.

As for upgrades, i have try first the gun and see what this airsoft gun needs upgardes by shooting it and playing in a match.

if you thought the shorty AKs at RD were heavy, the l85 is going to be worse.

accuracy is in the tuning of the gun and certain components, length of the barrel has less effect than compared to real steel guns. We don't use rifling, our projectiles are spherical, so they don't auto gyro to gain stability from rifling. We get our range from the consistency (straightness) of the barrel bore, the consistency of the air charge and the quality of the hop applied.

Other smaller lighter guns you might consider would be an mp5 of some sort, either with the foldable or full stock. It's somewhat lighter than the m4 or ak. A g36C is also pretty short and most of the good brands available are pretty durable nylon fiber materials, not straight abs plastic. You're still looking at aroun 6-8 pounds for most guns though. Better start working out more.

A sling also helps take weight off your arms, so when you're standing around, you're not holding your rifle.

That's the problem, i need visit more the JT's Store and hold weapons for weight and i just tried L85 ( G&G -.- ).

MP5 is oddly fitting me, i might end up with a setup you might love in Half-Life Opposing Force : Adrian Shephard, through my size wont match the ingame character :D.

http://i.imgur.com/OO7eJwD.jpg

I will search more, also the workout is benifical for me for the future as well.

Now, i bought the rifle at OHP Paintball from a retailer ( gonna not telling the name, all age verified know this store ) a ICS L85 Carbine for 458 $ ( including the 0.28 BB bag ).

Now, so i want to be sure my budget is right ? Here the opendocument file in a compressed zip to avoid stupidly outdated file extensions ( who ever thought adding a opendocument file there -.- ).

I was checking about googles and the only i know that will fit on my glasses are ESS LandOps and then i found at 40$ shipping included but it will arrive late before the next game this week.

About for batteries :

Rhino 2150mAh 2S 7.4v 30C Lipoly Pack 10,00 $x2
Charging Safety Bag 2,00 $
Connectors Banana to XT-60 3,00 $
LiPo Alarm Card 5,75$
XT-60 Plus Female and Male ( 5pc ) 4,00 $
IMAX B6 25,00 $
Power Plug 14,00 $

I think i should just take one battery instead of 2 batteries, any suggestions on this battery part ?

There comes the second part ( boots, slings ), i am sure there a few boots worth to have for years to come. Bates, 5.11 ? The rest ? No sure.
For slings, feel free to help me finding a 2 Point Sling.

For images : http://imgur.com/a/JvGex

Thanks for helping me finish the Airsoft Loadout,
TorinoFermic