airsoft WW2 releases 2011+ (formerly ICS M1 and Grease gun?)
 

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this popped up on the Airsoft GI facebook page a couple days ago
a few airsoft forums talked briefly about it.
Haven't found anymore information. though I have heard talk about the grease gun not having batteries in the mags....
what do you guys think? could ICS be going gbb on these? or aeg? I personally wouldn't mind either (gbb being preferable though)

ill take a m1 in the carbine style

as much as i like the carbine, theres just a certain love for the Garand that I have. I really wanna see what they do, and I'll grab one as soon as they become available

According to what was heard at the 2011 Shot Show,the ICS M1 Garand and M3 Grease gun (not M3A1 as the ICS will have that cocking handle apparently) will be AEG's each with proprietary mags (well...obviously).

I'll take one of each.

An M1 Carbine AEG would be interesting. It'll be tough to fit a gear box in there though unless it was one of those pistol type gearboxes.

Dboys has been rumoured to be making an M1 Garand or awhile now. Given that their Kar98K isn't exactly skirmishable makes me think the same about any Garand they would make (although I'd probably buy one anyway)

ISC had an outline of a SMLE under the designation M1 at the Shot Show. This started rumours about about an SMLE. Apparently it was just a mistake.

My Ares M3A1 Grease Gun should be here in week or two; looking forward to that.

Perhaps the same style of gearbox as a M249? Just not as beefy so it doesnt weigh 10 lbs.

That gearbox wouldn't fit. The M1 Carbine is quite slim; it wasn't designed for front line combat troops. It was designed to be a step up from carrying a 1911.

I love the recent boom in WW2 gun development, I just bought an AGM Sten to support it. lol

I don't understand how you're supposed to hold a grease gun. By the magwell?

yup
same way you hold a sten, and a mp40

I'd love to see a review of the Ares once you get it
and i've heard the same about Dboys, really not looking forward to it unless they totally rethink using shells. an AEG M1 wouldn't be all bad as long as it was over priced and had too many proprietary internals. The grease gun seems interesting, they may have a similar gearbox to the agm sten and mp40. as for the SMLE I wouldnt mind one, probably spring

I thought people in movies always held MP40s improperly by the mag well. I think you're supposed to grip the underside of the gun between the magazine well and the pistol grip. On an MP40, I mean.

sometimes it depends on preference.

retailers and classifieds, go get age verified. please stop cluttering up threads with your useless posts

hmm this excites me. Was looking into the GBBR m1 but just didn't seem overly practical. And I couldn't find one for less than about a million buxs lol

If they make the m1 with a v7 in it that would be a nice touch. Depends on how they make the CLIPS work. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE for the love of god PLEASE do not make that thing have a hi cap.



and if they can fit a mechbox in a sten they can fit one in a m1 carbine.

I've always liked the Grease Gun (M3) for some time now, hope this version an ICS GBB, although AFAIK ICS haven't ever made a GBB, so getting into the market may be difficult or non-existent.
If it is an AEG though thats fine, an M1 AEG is always a welcome addition.
I mean i do like the clips (yes this is what they are called) and their design, but i'd like to have more than 8 rounds. I hoping the AEG version would have at least 30 or so rounds, with the funcitonal ping of course :)

On another note, isn't this how you hold a Sten Gun? :
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depends on the user

Mag holds can result in misfeeds which was a big problem with the MP-40 in world war II. The proper way to grip it is by the forward hand grip. This is partly why the MP-41 was developed. The PPSH was also very conducive to magazine holds with the drum magazine and very awkward to hold properly.

If you compare an airsoft M1 Carbine (Marushin) to an airsoft Sten (AGM / VIVA) you'll notice that you have roughly 3 less inches to work with in regards to the M1 Carbine being fitted with a mechbox. Stens have a much longer receiver than the M1 Carbine. The trigger on a Mk2 Sten is roughly where the stock begins (or ends depending on your point of view) on an M1 Carbine.

If you compare an airsoft M1 Cabine to an airsoft M14 you'll notice that you have at least 3 inches less to work with in regards to the M1 Carbine being fitted with a mechbox. The M1 Carbine magwell is place right after the trigger guard. The M14 magwell is out a bit further. The stock on an M1 Carbine is much narrower and slimmer when compared to an M14.

This has been discussed ad nauseum on asian, american and british ww2 airsoft boards. Yes, some hobbyists have made some M1 Carbine AEG but the results haven't been exactly worthwhile. These have usually invovled modified aep gearboxes if my memory seves me correct.

The KJW 10/22 GBBR and it's M1 Carbine conversion is the most promising option on the horizon IMHO (They gotta do something about the mag)

Back on topic.

I'd very pleasant surprised if ICS made ww2 gas guns. But the AEG's would be more than fine. I am curious if they'll make the Garand top feeding.

WE is supposed to be working on a GBB Sten and Grease Gun.

Edit: forgot the G&G Kar98K

Zeta Lab is working on a B.A.R and a PPSH-41.

Ares is working on an accurate looking M1928 (not those Cyma / KA bastardizations)

I should have a Zeta Lab Mosin Nagant M44 springer shortly. Looking forward to that too.

It would be interesting on how ICS gonna deal with the battery solution for the M3 Grease gun, if it turns out a AEG. I wanna see hows that gonna turn out :3

Honestly, I would like to see reputable manufacturer taking on the Sten or atleast some British rifles.

Here's a decent Ares M3A1 review: http://ww2airsoft-asia.proboards.com...lay&thread=714

From what I know from a few people that were at shot show G&g, Ics were a bust when it came to talking about new products. They couldn't even understand basic english and had no rep. From the little they did get everything ICS was prototype only and had no 2011 release dates.

ICS had a prototype / dummy model M3 grease Gun on their wall really high upat the 2011 Shot Show according to AirsoftOhio members. It's apparently in their 2011 catalogue and according to their rep at the Shot Show it's going to be ready for summer 2011.

When it actually hits retailers is anyone's guess.

I think the rep wasn't so sure about what mag it'll take.

FF to 3:45: YouTube - ICS at 2011 Shot Show

He (David) did say that the M3 Grease Gun were going to use M1 Thompson Magazines.
That would defiantly help in getting more magazines for the gun as there are many Thompson magazine manufacturers.

Looking forward to seeing how this all develops.

I'm not sure I prefer the Ares battery placement or the ICS placement. The Ares is neat, but the ICS is more practical. I can't wait until more info is posted about the M1. That and a KJW 10/22 with the carbine stock would be awesome. The only missing piece is a 1911.
On another note, I love the stock on the MP5 at the beginning.

I can't wait any longer for a proper M1928... it's been years! HURRY UP ARES AND PLEASE BE AS V6 COMPATIBLE AS POSSIBLE!

I can feel this year is going to be expensive.

umm wrong thread... this is about the grease gun and m1

oh god yes.... tax refund is going to disapear

Who's gonnabe poor this year.......meh !
The ICS M1, I want it !
But KWA's recoil Ak AEG series, shown at the shot show will ruin me !

Just for historical accuracy....

The Ares version of the Grease Gun is an M3A1. This version did not see any war time service in the ETO. It was issued during the post war occupation period in the ETO.

The ICS version is supposed to be an M3 version (with the cocking handle) which was used in the MED and ETO during WW2.

As far as the Pacific theatre is concerned, very few M3A1's were issued late in the war to GI's.

There are plenty of period photos of GI's with cocking handle removed M3's. All that is left is a dime size hole in the lower receiver where the cocking handle was located. (I might have to drill a hole in my M3A1 lower receiver)

So if you have a huge hard on for WW2 correct grease gun it might be wise to wait for the ICS version.

The M3A1 is accurate for Korean Conflict, Vietnam War, Gulf War etc.

...and the M3a1 was used by US Tank crews up until and including the Gulf War.

I can't wait for a M1 Carbine Para, but a M1 Garand would probably be more appropriate with most loadouts.

Plus, it was designed here :D

Bummer, I was hoping I'd view this thread an find news of a carbine aeg :(

I suppose I should have quoted:

[QUOTE=R.I.T.Z;1398136]sometimes it depends on preference.



Yes and no... I am no expert on these two weapons, and this is not an attack in anyway.

Every Firearm, especially military ones, have a manual of arms, meaning the proper way to hold the weapon for it to properly function. Preference is not taken into account.

One of the reasons both guns (mainly the MP40) were known for jamming was due to the improper use of the magazine as a hand grip, causing the magazine to slightly pull out, the bullet to misfeed and the gun to jam.

All in all, you can, but it's not proper...

No it was designed in the USA by a person born in Quebec, immediately moved down south, and raised in the USA.

[quote=Josafoot;1414567][QUOTE=R.I.T.Z;1398136
One of the reasons both guns (mainly the MP40) were known for jamming was due to the improper use of the magazine as a hand grip, causing the magazine to slightly pull out, the bullet to misfeed and the gun to jam.

All in all, you can, but it's not proper...[/quote]

I don't know where you got this information, but the US issued M3 and M3A1 used the magazine as a forward grip--as noted in the US Army FM 23-41. The German issued Mp-40 also used the forward magazine as a grip, as noted in the "Maschinenpistole 40 - Beschreibung, handhabunge, und behandlungsanleitung" manual. There were no reports of misfeeds jamming due to this.

YouTube - AATV @ IWA 2011: ICS

3:05
3:15

"we have one in the works" reffering to M1

Listen to what he says after that as well. :)

ahh, a grease gun where the battery isnt in the magazine

I love you.

I missed that part.


Gotta start saving now.

Hm.. Interesting.. AEG M1 Garand.

no idea why i find this so funny but when he picks up the galil hes like "you dont have to be a jew to like this one..."

made my day for some reason lol

Just seen your post Latvian : Yeah, but he's from here anyway. :p

John Garand. :D

With ICS releasing more US WWII weapons, we can expect more german weapons as well in the near future (hopefully a G43 :D, an FG42 would be a nice addition); if any company could release an MP-41, I would buy it so fast :)

ICE AEG M1 would be a blessing. IF it was made from Wood.


It was the first rifle I've ever fired and I've loved it since that moment.

Im just waiting for a reliable source for FN L1A1's to show up.

ares makes those right?

I think, but I have yet to see a reliable Canadian Retailer offer them. I suppose I could ask someone who deals in Ares to order one in.

For some reason I though that ICS had an L1A1 in the works but it's King Arms and Ares that make them. My bad.

I know a guy that deals with ares....and its not mach1.

they're expensive buggers though.

anyways we're getting off topic.

the grease gun is supposedly going to be released later this year.

No firm date for the M1 though.


:(

i'm guessing 2 years

An ICS real wood Garand would be nice but faux wood wouldn't be a total bummer. What I would like is a that the internal magagazine holds no more than 30 bbs and can fit in a M1923 belt.

Off topic. I have an Ares L1A1. It's a nice solid piece. The price was a bit much and getting extra mags wasn't easy either. I hope that WE will make a L1A1. Semi only w/ 20 rd mags and a decent blowback.

ad long as its a decent build, and looks good It can be all plastic for all I care.
and 30bbs sounds perfect maybe 20, I mean it is a garand and will probably be semi only.

a WE Fal would be amazing. and so far the only 2 companies I know of that make a decent L1A1/Fal is king arms and ares. i know CA makes the sa58 serries and star made a fal thing.....

Yeah I had three KA FN FAL long length para stock aegs last year.sold two of them. Very nice aegs. At least w/ the KA stuff you can add an RIS, scope mount and bipod if you desire. The only Ares L1A1 I could find was a scope mount.

Further off topic. Going to skirm the Ares M3A1 this weekend. LOL, All the batteries are charged.

Still debating about bringing the Zeta Lab Mosin Carbine.

Something about wood on a battle rifle makes sense to me.. Much more organic and feeling.

I suppose faux would would be ok as it would help with the weight issue. But it wouldnt be the same.

As much as would love a wood stock, I wouldn't mind having ABS and just getting a RS one and modding it.

What I want of an M1 is top feeding, without ejecting. Just make the clip/mag pop up like one or two cm, but without leaving the gun. Like, just for the ease of taking it out and reloading.

Don't get too excited about an ICS WW2 aeg like a Garand or M3. The announcement about an ICS FNC came back in 2007. Only now do they have afunctioning pre production model for show at conventions.

Yeah.. Let's just hope G&G is quicker with their Kar98.

Would make something cool in the meanwhile :D

I hope that G & G doesn't rush the 98K like they did with their first try at the M14.. It probably won't be available until 2013 anyway. G & G announced the FN2000 back in 2007 too. IIRC they only became available in 2010.

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Classic Army : USM2, Sten, MP44, MP40

That's good news from CA. But if you can make an M2 Carbine AEG why not make an M1 Carbine AEG?

'Exactly.

I'm happy.

Maybe CA will go all balls out and make an M1A1 Carbine and a Sten MK V with real wood.....edit..and a.....suppressed grease gun (so I don't have to make one)

Fuck... I want the m2-m1a1 carbine!!!

Good to see CA making some WW2 guns. I wanna see how their Sten turns out.

This is awesome!

Wish they could make some lee enfield and springfield 1903 to...

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4590/m3a1ads.jpg
(Title says M3A1 but picture show a M3...)
Ares also bought Zeta-Labs and will be re-releasing the Nagant.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2674/mosinnagantweb.jpg

... wood.

price?

the mosin was roughly 400 on ehobby... so I'm gonna say prob 600-800 in country.

And since it's Ares now, the price should go up as well.

but maybe they'll fix the mag issue...

I wonder if it'll clue in for them that overpricing shit like that simply wont work

Correct Bolt Handle Please
 

The Ares art department done goofed with their rendering of the Mosin sniper rifle.

Yeah, straight bolt too. Good luck using it with the scope on... :P

The rendering of the grease gun EBB certainly is confusing. They are calling it an M3A1 EBB. But the picture has the M3A1 stock and the M3 cocking handle.

When will they be released, and how much?

Tank

No price no date.

http://www.aresairsoft.com/m3a1.html

Still batt in mag...

so if battery is in the magazine...where will the bb's go?

In the mag too. Two compartiments.

Does that mean you will need several batteries?

thanks for the quick answer!
I'm also impressed by the fact that WW2 weapons are starting to pop out more, the only dang thing I don't seem to understand is why are those big companies not hearing our cries for that Springfield and the Enfield, two real beauty rifles!

And I'm quite happy to see CA making WW2 weapons and Ares taking over the Nagant ( let's hope they fix the sniper bolt issue --")

Will some manufaturer please make a Springfield rifle with a barrel mounted greanade launcher and shower grenades. My USMC Guadalcanal impression requires it!

The bolt won't be like this in real life. It's just the guy doing photoshop sucks.

@George : You'd need as many batteries as you have mags.

EDIT : I want a frickin Garand first!

One submachinegun for 10 rifles.

We need M1 and 1903.

But the Garand is awesom-er.

http://www.marushin-kk.co.jp/mypictu...m1cdxcutrc.jpg

Marushin USM1 6mm Blow-back with Co2 cartridges.

Still bayonet lug?...

Too bad it's not the NBB M1 Carbine being re-issued.

Might be next.

Any reason other than durability you prefer the NBB?

Yeah pretty much just the durability. The lack of a clickity-clack on the NBB Carbine is a fair trade off for durability.

Marushin Gaz BlockBack 6MM M1 Garand is out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1garand6mm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...m1cdxcutrc.jpg
New version of the USM1 called the CDX

Sorry for the bump, but I jizz'd a bit here.

Here's ares coming up lineup.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...downloadzc.jpg

yes another GARAND! just hopefully it doesnt cost a grand....

and I'm hoping that ppsh mag is a mid-low-real cap instead of another hicap!

And it is most likely to be AEG!

Why the bayonet lug on the carbine!

Gbbr would be cool but I think an aeg version would be using m14 internals... so convenience.
and a bayonet lug because bayonets are cool

I'd buy an AEG Garand or Carbine. Nagant Sniper looks awesome too, hopefully it can be upgraded with APS parts

I dig the M1 Carbine :D Do want.

Big thumbs down on the bayonet lug on the M1 Carbine.

Also, I don't consider this "news" but much more "Rumor" but a member on Arnies is stating that DBoys would be working on a GBB version of the M1.

Still that user didn't post any proof, but supposely visited all major manufacturers.

Last week I emailed Airsoft Panda / Zeta Lab about their future releases. The very enthusiastic reply stated that they want to release 3 WW2 era sniper rifles; the next 2 being a M1903 Spfingfield w/scope and a 98k w/scope. He R & D manager also wrote that the plan is to have them VSR 10 compatible. They are currently waiting for the retailer pre order to reach 2000 units.

did they mention what retailer? because if we have that name and we spread it,. i'm sure that we can make it to 2000 units

The retailers would be the usual lot (ehooby, uncompany,airsoft global, etcetera). I'd like to think that VSR 10 compatible 98K's and M1903 Springfields are pretty much no brainers as far as sales go. Hopefully these are available not too long after the Bren and ZB 26 come out.

Fuck this year's gonna be expensive. But Awesome!

I'd shoot for 2012. Can't see them being available for this year.