Heres my ACU, first is me in Texas where I picked it up :)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...7/SD530288.jpg

The Big Re... uh... The Big Grey One! Most guys go with the ACU with red 1 1st inf patch so it's nice to see the plain ACU version.

Well theres a story behind the black one and the red one, when the ACU was first designed, it was decided that the big red "1" would be black to be more "tactical". This was done without involved the 1st, which created a crap storm and they decided they would redo the badges in red. Now some guys do wear the black, some guys were the red and life is good again for the 1st.

I have seen 1st infantry worn on right sleeve and on the left sleeve and combinations of subunit or no unit on the left sleeve.

Useless trivia!

Mud

Great kits, go with coyote Tan / Bown and youve got it set!!!
The last one is good for all of you people who think that ACU stands out like blaze . LOL
BTW
What types of badges can be worn on the right sleeve below the flag??? Pics? Diver patches LOL?

Or just another unit patch?

I usually just wear the 4ID patch on the right sleeve (under the US Flag).
Actually, I usually have the 4ID patch on both arms. lol

The left sleeve is reserved for SSI's (and skill tabs, airborne, ranger, etc) while the right sleeve is reserved for SSI-FWTS Combat Insignia and only the FWTS "Combat Patch" (Former Wartime Service). It is acceptable to put a second SSI on the right sleeve to break up the blank space while in combat, but not in garrison.

ACU looks sweet. I'll have to pick up for sure!!!

Coyote brown and coyote tan don't work well at all on ACU lol
It's very specific, only foliage green and ACU vests work with the camo, anything else like coyote vest, black boots or black gun make you stand out even more because there's a big contrast.

I'd like to update my previous statement.

It's now come to my attention that uniform regulations state that if you do not have a combat patch (SSI-FWTS) you can wear your unit patch (SSI) on both arms in field as well as in garrison. Just came across this information today double-checking my post.

Looking pretty good. If you're interested in authenticity, try these things:

1. Ditch the shoulder pads. Infantry only wears them when they MAKE us wear them. Generally the only dudes you see wearing those stupid shoulder pads are gunners in vehicles. Additionally, don't put patches on the shoulder pads. Nobody does that.

2. Loosen your throat protector to the loosest notch. I generally had mine pulled down as far as it could go.

3. Ditch both kneepads. Alternatively, wear one kneepad on the knee you're likely to kneel down on, and push the other kneepad down around your ankle. We did this on those occasions when they MADE us wear kneepads. Having both on feels awkward when running.

Here's an old one of me in NTC.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...tsox/M240B.jpg

Another of my last tour in Iraq.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...nking_chai.jpg

No, no. 670-1 is explicit. Combat patches and the U.S. flag go on the right sleeve. Unit patch and skill identifiers on the left. "Airborne" and "Mountain" are not skill tabs; "Special Forces", "Ranger", and a few others ("President's Hundred", for example) are skill tabs.

If you're not authorized to wear a combat patch (former wartime service), then that right sleeve remains empty except for the flag. If you're authorized to wear one (I can wear the 4th ID or 10th Mountain patch) you can, but you can also choose not to wear a combat patch. It's up to you. If you're in a combat zone, then you've automatically earned the right to wear a combat patch. There's no time requirement for earning one.

I'm not intending to show you up, I'm simply correcting your mistake. No offense intended.

Kay, so links or pics fo SSI-FWTS patches??? I want my ACU to look like the Raw Deal. Land Warrior trials show 2X unit patches + Iraq pics confirm this. Correct?

nice pic whit the cofe

its probably benn said previously in the treat but how good does Acu works
were best to use it ?

Well, you can put any patch you'd like on your right sleeve (you're seeing two of the "same patch" on soldiers because they previously served with that same unit). You can be in the 4th ID and wear a 4th ID combat patch, for example. I usually stick with my 10th Mountain combat patch. Choose from the big infantry divisions for the most common combat patches.

1st Infantry Division (Kansas)
2nd Infantry Division (Colorado)
3rd Infantry Division (Georgia)
4th Infantry Division (Colorado and Texas, currently)
10th Mountain Division (New York)
25th Infantry Division (Hawaii)
82nd Airborne Division (North Carolina)
101st Airborne Division (Kentucky)

Stick with a combination of those and you're golden.

In a big, rocky gravel pit. :)

witch is the answer right befor nowere ?

Well birch forest, rocky places, or urban environments are really the best places to use it.
But if your good at airsoft it doesn't matter what camo your wearing ;)

just wondering..you know there is so many diferent stuff out there multicam acu marpat cadpat... im curious on the one that is the best in overal. but in the end it all as to do like you said on how you are playing

Yea, most pick cammo based on their individual environment, or buy what they think looks cool>>>thats why I have 4 different sets of cammo LOL! i like em all and they dont all work everywhereLOL!

But since this is an ACU thread........ACU IS THE BEST

haha...yea...i only used the shoulder protectors for the cqb game...i wouldn't wear it otherwise...same goes with kneepads....out in a field game...i only wear the vest and sometimes the neck.

oh...and the patch on the shoulder pad says "osama is a pork eating fag"

ACU is not the best, nor is MultiCam. To be perfectly honest, the best is Olive Drab as it just does not stick out. It's so bland and plain it's very easy to overlook.

ACU sucks in most green forests, as does MultiCam. So using it in Canada can be a bit difficult. Just go with what you like. Hell, be unique, get some freaking HyperStealth SpecAm or Spec4ce camo.

Christ, they made a freaking Mig in Arpat, so that should be a check on quality (plus they kinda invented CADPAT).

http://www.hyperstealth.com/Mig29/index.html

To Ray Gillespie: Thanks for the Correction about the SSI-FWTS. I'm not in service, obviously, so what I know is only gleamed from reading, and sometimes the literature isn't that clear on what's what. For airsoft purposes, we're always in combat :D

That boat looks like fricking LEGO!

http://www.hyperstealth.com/ADP/CALU...r-35-75-90.jpg

What!? I can only see one boat......and its an aircraft carrier.....

That is just simulated, so it's not as awesome as it could be.

Bombing and sniper in Iraq. US soldier is up head swiveling while everyone duck and run. See the scared kid. Yeah who's you buddy now eh?

Kid found the acu pretty quick

Kid's just busy placing the "SHOOT ME" sign... ;)

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Anywho... ACU:

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/phot...96932_1401.jpg

Latest scrim pictures
Second pic is of Ducky and the two guys in the background are wearing arid cadpat.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...3Scrims048.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...3Scrims051.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...3Scrims035.jpg
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Hey cactussy one... You know, I should buy one of those "Face" Facemasks and do it up in ARPAT, lol. Then you can be completely arpat :D

Not to offend anyone, but for some reason I just cannot stand seeing someone wear ACU with a patrol Cap.. I know helmets are hard to come by, and I guess cumbersome for those not in the military. I don't mean to be rude at all, what people do with their own kit is there own, but to me it looks wrong, and obviously, no-one would be in FFO but with a patrol cap.

Really? and you know this how exactly? You have absolutely no clue what your talking about.

Why? It keeps them camouflaged and they're not exactly worried about shrapnel.

I am just saying, as far as mil sim goes, a patrol cap is no substitute for a helmet. And in real life, no-one wears their patrol cap to fight with. It doesn't happen in real life, so it just looks wrong in airsoft. People can do what they want though, and I'm not going to harp, just looks wrong. Not going to pull a "MikeL" here. No offense Mike

Who.. wears a patrol cap as a standard of FFO?

Could you explain to me the proper use for the patrol cap then?

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/90061...4831B75F48EF45

http://www.specialoperations.com/Arm...ers/ranger.jpg
http://www.armynavyshop.com/Merchant...00001/1323.jpg
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/90062...4831B75F48EF45

Rangers That's who.

I was just going to post the wiki to the patrol cap... xD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_cap

Its just a utility headdress which is tactical, meaning it is able to be worn on patrols, Recce etc. It would be like us in the CF wearing a tactical baseball cap out in the open on operation.

So who's to say that during a milsim you're on patrol when then ambushed?

That's who wears a patrol cap.

Glad I could answer your question.

Ex, if you are telling me that rangers will substitute their helmet for the patrol cap on operation in broad daylight, in a threat environment, just to look like rangers. Then YOU, are sadly mistaken, and clearly do NOT know what you are talking about, do not post random pictures, you have know idea the circumstances behind the picture.

And you're creating a specific circumstance to aid your argument. There is a time and place for different needs in a uniform/armor.

You never answered anything, shelled... Not everyone in the games are on patrol. For the most part I have seen patrol caps replace helmets, its just what people obviously like to wear, and power to them. I am also sure that not everyone who wears the patrol cap is aware that it would be worn for patrols, as well a helmet might not be a cheap choice for someone on a budget. My only point was that to me it looks odd. As for rangers... Royal.. don't be silly.

Ok big guy you got me...I dont know shit!! LOL. Listen i'll throw you a bone and say this much Yes you are right a helmet is part of FFO but then again.,.not always, Terrain time of day type of patrol and or operation calls for different types of gear period and the helmet is routinely binned in favour of a soft cap of any kind, not always but frequently it is done. I'm not gonna get into a pissing match with you here and clutter up this thread with bull shit so we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Take that for what you will.

Oh im sorry your vast experience working with them tells you that I am wrong..Fair enough mate.

I don't mean you disrespect either, just PM me if you want so we can smooth it over.
Shelled try not to take anything the wrong way either.
I love ACU and I mistakenly voiced my opinion about how I like my favourite uniform to be worn, being in the military makes me senile like that.

Don't worry about me. ;) I'm just having fun.

FYI MICH2000 helmets (replica and kevlar) are really easy to come by, obviously its easier to get a replica than kevlar. ACU helmet covers are in ample supply as well.
Although it may not be true milsim to use a ranger cap, airsoft BB's dont function like real steel bullets. So a hit to the helmet takes you out in airsoft no matter what caliber it is. And to add to that, a hit anywhere on your person/gear counts that includes the brim of your helmet. And I've had a LOT of close calls within 2" of my head where a helmet would normally be. So although it's not milsim, it's entirely practical for me to wear a patrol cap.
And before you post about us not needing plate carriers for the same reason, I wear my plate carrier because it provides a comfortable and rigid platform for my mag pouches, I'm never going back to wearing vests or webbing now lol
The shoulder pads and DAPS are just for show, but the groin plate comes in handy in CQB lol

Thnder who is that a response to? I dont remember Not, condoning the use of helmets, and especially IBA's, or OTV's.. On my part I would support and encourage the use of both...

DD

nice
 

Nice but every thing the Rangers are wearing now is ACU! including thier loadouts

Brit is right, love the look though. Nice weapon. Perhaps you could get some less "attractive" gloves, as far as distraction goes they're a little bright. Are you going to mod that helmet next? There is a good threat on helmets, you should check it out in the gear section.

if you check militaryphotos.net thats the gloves theyre all useing.

I have seen them, just wouldn't be my preference for being tactical. Unless this is supposed to be imitation of a certain event/time kinda thing like on wannabe.com

as for gloves, A picture is a moment in time. And Yes some units exclusively "BUY" thos Mechanix gloves for their guys, but its not standard across the board. And as Lucrius said, if you are copying a "Operators" load out then fine...otherwise look around and personalize YOUR loadout....everyone has different needs, and missions dictate different things.

The pics I've seen of Rangers, they're all wearing Ranger Green armour an pouches.. an no helmet covers.

same with the ones I have seen.

It's just a statement, some people have no clue why other people use plate carriers and/or helmets.

Ok true enough. Rockafella, if you do decide to get any Green for your ACU make sure they sell 'Foliage Green' which is US Issue, lots of sites or stores seel green stufff but its not foliage green. Try www.uscav.com, its not a mega store but it has some small things you might want.

true dat, od and ranger green look wronge on acu, they are too prodominant. definatly get foliage green. unless you go all out and get an od vest, drop leg holster, drop leg dump, od helmet. then you may force the color to work.

Thanks for the tips guys, i will check that link out. Personally i would preffer an ACU or tridessert cam platecarrier rather than the Foliage green. Crappy thing is, unlike you prarie and Alberta people, the ACU, Desert and like patterns don't really work out here in BC, CADPAT and DPM seem to work the best.

ACU works, you just gotta dirty it up. Roll in the mud before an op buddy. :)

It'll take on the environment's colour that way. It's how it was designed to work for the most part.

Besides, ACU is just cadpat...

CADPAT (Designed in 96)
http://www.hyperstealth.com/CADPAT-LG.jpg
ARPAT (post 2000)
http://www.hyperstealth.com/UCP.jpg
ARPAT Reversed
http://www.hyperstealth.com/UCP-Dark.jpg

In case you missed the similarities:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6...atarpatol1.png

It's the same camouflage, just different colours. ;)

Except that it is a 'universial pattern' ie. It has no black in it, so that the eyes can not be drawn to it, or distinguish lines. I find that ACU works well, our unit has done work with US soldiers in the field, and it works great. I find that Cadpat is one dimensional and where is works insanely well in one certain environment, it attracts the eyes well in almost all others. Not to say that one is better then the other, both rock, and are made for different purposes.

Um no, it's a universal colour scheme.

The pattern is CADPAT.

That's why CADPAT is listed as CADPAT (TW) or CADPAT (AR), you could technically call ARPAT "CADPAT (UC)" and not be any bit incorrect. The camouflage -pattern- is identical.

Finally got a Mich Helmet.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...8/IMG_0449.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...8/IMG_0448.jpg

aaron wher ethe heck did you get an ibh in acu? is it issue? i got a warlord, but im liking the ibh

It's a MICH 2000 replica from ehobby with an issue helmet cover lol

That UCP sample you posted looks nothing like the real thing. Take your bullshit elsewhere.

Actually its the SWAT Brand Mich2000 Replica from WGC. Advantage being they are actually the proper size Large, not some weird M/L size like the ehobby ones. Yes the cover is real issue ACU Cover, and I am not wearing it backwards like some people. ;)

Lol.

Copy the image.

Paste it into paint.

Press CTRL+I.

Learn how to read.

damnit, i meant ibA lol. otv iba.

OH lol well that's totally different :p
Ducky got his off ebay, I got Mark to special order mine through his supplier.
Ducky's is a standard issue IBA, paid about 110$ after shipping I think, Mine's a Point Blank and it was 200$ after shipping but I got DAPS, groin plate and shoulder protectors with it!

Hey how many of you guys have bought Massif army combat shirts?? Let's see some pictures!

Here are some pictures for Saturday's game.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...241024x768.jpg
Crossed the river and laying down some fire so my team mate can grab the flag.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...81024x7681.jpg
On a tiny spot of dirt and weeds in the river.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...291024x768.jpg
Hoping Nighthawk will grab the flag.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...181024x768.jpg
The saddest part of the day :(

You might want to learn how to carry your rifle properly.

what are you talking about? didnt you see that movie witht he spek fork guys holding their guns that way?:D

HEY what the hell is that??
Don't you know rolling up your sleeves on an ACU jacket is against military policy?? lol
Ever since I read the instructions on how to wear ACU I bug everyone about it, you can't roll up your sleeves but you don't have to wear the jacket ;)
Nice pics man!

So I can't carry my rifle however I like guys?

It was hot but not hot enough to take off my top. I rolled em up super fast too so the roll is kinda crappy. Thanks for the comments guys.

Muzzle discipline is a good habit to have ingrained into you when it comes to real-steel and I think it should be the same for airsoft. Always be aware of where your muzzle is pointed in case of a negligent discharge. And yes, I've seen the 'Nam photos where the '60 gunner's carrying his MG on his shoulder....but the muzzle is pointed FORWARD where he can see it. If you're going to wear the uniform of America's finest, then handle your weapon accordingly.

Alright, but I also know when my safety is on and when it is off.

SAOAFR.

a safety is never an excuse

I'm just saying. Not meaning to pick a fight. Constructive criticism is great.

Muzzle control is great, but keep in mind this IS airsoft, nobody's going to DIE from taking a bb to the head. No need to be anal about it unless there's law enforcement, innocent bystanders or people with goggles off around.

+1!

So your sayin its better to have the muzzle forward, pointed towards all the people in front, rather than towards the rear pointing at noone??

Geez guys. Dunno what's so hard to grasp about the concept.

Normally I agree with you, but not this time.

It's not a matter of death, but a matter of injury. That's an easy way to get your buddy's teeth shot out ;)

And airsoft BB's do that relatively easy from what I've seen.

Regardless, sleeves rolled up on ACU just looks silly. But I guess if you're sporting a pink baseball cap, silly is the least of your worries ;)

First of all, it's not called Universal Camouflage. It's called ARPAT, if you're going to criticize me, at least get it fucking right.

Second of all, through the magic of the beautiful computer technology known as Microsoft Paint, one can magically with pixie dust and unicorn tears take an image, and, prepare to be shocked, reverse the colours. I KNOW! Things they do with computers these days.

Anyway, you use that magical concept and take a normal ARPAT (that's Army Pattern) swatch from the glowing world of the internet and reverse it's colour to get the ARPAT reversed result.

Or, you know, you could save yourself some damn trouble and maybe read a bit before spewing uneducated bullshiat. But that wouldn't be a post worthy of being on ASC, now would it?

Actually the US Army officially calls the pattern UCP (Universal Camouflage Pattern), see document:

http://209.85.165.104/u/armyg1?q=cac...gl=us&ie=UTF-8

You will see that title referenced more often than ARPAT, which seems only to be used on Ebay, or on retail sites.

As well your analysis of the selected segments of the camo make no sense at all, despite your pictures. First off the patters have a different number of colours, but more importantly they are randomized patterns and very rarely repeat themselves. Since both were developed partially by Hyperstealth they will share similar randomized patterns; but you cant just take two pictures of anypoint on an ACU uniform and Cadpat uniform and pull off the similarities you did above. This alone makes me think its all rhetoric and not based on any credible source.

Don't get me wrong they have a common source, both were developed with assistance from hyperstealth, and that will show in ALL of their patterns; but past that there are very few similarities.

Also the development of ACU included trials of several other camo, eitherway your pictures are definitely Bias and I am gonna agree it's a pretty sketchy argument you got there at best.

It was actually an ACU ball cap under my helmet ;)

Well there is definitely no denying that the two samples given have striking similarities. Where did you get both of the samples? Are the both issue? Even though CADPAT has more colours, it looks like the ACU just averaged them out. It might make sense if both samples came from a repo company.

Operation Hunt back the snipers

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1...1577eg7.th.jpg

Team Alpha Unit left to right: LeGros, SnakeDoctor,Warrior, Frank_john
Ace Team: Rifleman, Fontaine

Une gang de beau bonhomme!!

;)

scrims weeks ago

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yeah, im using ACU with olive trim(my vest, belt, pads, hat, belaclava, holster, gunsling ect.) my pouches are acu on my vest, and i gotta say

not the greatest for woodland, but with little light its the best

also in urban settings its amazing
but either way it just looks cool

actuly most of my squad uses acu
we have one guy who just wears cargo pants and a tee
but the rest of us are:
ACU-black trim
ACU-olive trim
ACU-no trim(one guy has no gear)
BROWN CARGO PANTS AND A MARPAT HOODIE
thats them

Both samples are DIRECTLY from hyperstealth research.

http://www.hyperstealth.com/CADPAT-MARPAT.htm

Ducky, the entire spiel is there and is supported by documented evidence.

1) The Canadian DND "licensed" the pattern to the USMC for use in the MARPAT camouflage pattern. The colours were changed to suit their needs.

2) ARPAT is a 3 Colour version of the MARPAT TW pattern. Thus is directly related to CADPAT and would almost have to share some common clusters.

3) The Natick Trials did not even give us the ARPAT that we see today. The winning pattern is not even close to what ARPAT is today:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ck_Pattern.JPG

The "winning pattern" (technically it was the worst pattern in the trial, as All-Over Brush Desert "won", but modifications were made and it was accepted as the pattern) is the right-most uniform in the image. It is "Track (Urban Variant)". As you can plainly see, the uniform does not even come close to resembling ARPAT in any manner. This pattern was digitized onto the MARPAT pattern, the colour black was removed, and thus ARPAT was created.

4) The pattern itself is a giant swatch (forgive me, I can't find the exact dimensions but it's huge), it does repeat but it's meant to repeat in a blended manner. So the fact that there would be similarities in the pattern clusters due to their shared origins is to be expected.

I'm not biased, I've simply seen the similarities and they're supposed to be there. It's a fact that ARPAT is derived from CADPAT since it was derived from MARPAT. The whole reason they used the pattern is because it works so well.

And don't get me wrong, I am not trying to knock ARPAT, it's my favourite camouflage. I just think it's odd that people will argue that CADPAT is better than ARPAT or MARPAT is better, or whatever, when they're all the same "pattern" with different colour schemes. The fact that we all share the same pattern is kind of neat in my mind. In the end, they're all here thanks to Dual-Tex and Lt. Col O'Niel's camouflage breakthroughs in the 70's and 80's

Furthermore, NSN listings use the term ARPAT, unless that's been changed as well, in which I'll concede that the Army has completely switched to using the term UCP (which just started off as a generic term) and appologize for using an outdated term.

Right back at ya buddy.

I misunderstood exactly what it was I was looking at there, that's on me, attitude there was probably uncalled for too. No hard feelings I hope.

None at all, I reciprocate what's given to me. :)

Hey guys,

I have 1 set of issued ACUs and an extra pair of pants also issued in size XLR and IR tabs that is used but in excellent condition. I am selling the whole kit (top, and 2 bottoms) for 135$ if anybody is interested please contact me :)

I always have propper's ACU in NIR in stock but if anybody wants the real issued in very good condition send me a PM :)

Thanks for everyones attention,

So nobody here owns an army combat shirt?
Not even a fake one??

where can you get ahold of the cbl in acu (real acu)

CBL? If that's the combat shirt, then... Well... Nowhere yet. Ebay has a preorder but that's pricey and risky.